omg so true, the narrative foils were the friends we made along the way. once again thinking back to the alex & pj partners podcast ep where they dichotomy is “I am done, I wanna walk away, I am not interested in doing this anymore, I don’t wanna fight for this, it feels bad, I want to escape it, I’d rather blow this whole thing up.” vs “This is the last good thing I’m ever going to have in my life. I don’t care how bad it gets, I will stay in it until there’s nothing left.” which is sort of adjacent to what we're talking about... like there's probably (definitely?) a non-negligible area of overlap between our tastes/fundamental philosophies, but i think we've still managed to cohere a few themes into recognizable clusters... this is so interesting lmao now i want to know where all of our other friends fall along these lines.
hmm i guess the appealing thing about leader x lancer is the interplay of loyalty and haterism, i do still like loyalty kink but it has to be complicated by other factors too. which is basically the case for like any ship dynamix really, even ones i'm not really into i can be sold on by being told that the characters involved have conflicting and contradictory feelings towards each other. plus i guess i like the unrepression of leader x lancer more, where the lancer is allowed to blatantly flout the established power structure because they're special 💘
re: the selfcest thing, i came across this excerpt on tumblr earlier that you might enjoy. it's from "mirror traps" by hera lindsay bird, which i can't find the full text of online but it's in her self-titled book which should be easy enough to acquire.
yeah, i wanted to elaborate on the transgression thing because it's not that straightfoward for me either but i hadn't really thought it through/couldn't articulate my vague impression, so we'll probably come back to this conversation at some point. there's probably a lot of other angles we could get into, since you said this post isn't comprehensive and i still have dots that remain unconnected despite my essay length comments lol... shipping meta is so fun tho
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Date: 2021-05-22 07:37 am (UTC)hmm i guess the appealing thing about leader x lancer is the interplay of loyalty and haterism, i do still like loyalty kink but it has to be complicated by other factors too. which is basically the case for like any ship dynamix really, even ones i'm not really into i can be sold on by being told that the characters involved have conflicting and contradictory feelings towards each other. plus i guess i like the unrepression of leader x lancer more, where the lancer is allowed to blatantly flout the established power structure because they're special 💘
re: the selfcest thing, i came across this excerpt on tumblr earlier that you might enjoy. it's from "mirror traps" by hera lindsay bird, which i can't find the full text of online but it's in her self-titled book which should be easy enough to acquire.
yeah, i wanted to elaborate on the transgression thing because it's not that straightfoward for me either but i hadn't really thought it through/couldn't articulate my vague impression, so we'll probably come back to this conversation at some point. there's probably a lot of other angles we could get into, since you said this post isn't comprehensive and i still have dots that remain unconnected despite my essay length comments lol... shipping meta is so fun tho