THAT LINE SUMS UP EVERYTHING ABOUT MENTOR/PROTEGE EXACTLY... and also i was thinking more like. ushijima and goshiki yesterday and i think the dynamic of the protege being the insanely competitive one is also hilarious like that internal struggle of I Have So Much Respect For Him But I Have To Beat Him vs ushijima not caring about anything like that even a little bit because he knows he's secure in his own abilities but trusts in goshiki anyway.
sag moon 4 sag moon always im glad you get it about oikita i think i almost made myself insane with it in november. narrativeshipping is also about seeing the narrative you want for yourself in someone else sometimes <3 and RIGHTT oikawa/semi came to me in a moment of revisiting semi's pinch serving moments when he goes 'i understand exactly what it is about shirabu that makes him a better setter than me, but with serves im free' like wow... theres potential there i think especially like. imagine the first shiratorizawa vs seijou game where shirabu starts instead of semi. CHILLS
OK I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF (1/428) but i think this mostly goes back to narrativeshipping too and is maybe kind of a departure from your original premise of them not knowing each other.... sorry in advance, but basically i just think that
1) atsukage opposite narrativeshipping: i mostly think that atsumu's relationship with trust as a ~tyrannical setter~ is almost the exact opposite of kageyama. the reason atsumu never had a moment of kageyama-like abandonment with his attitude is that aran quote like No matter how fast one twin runs, the other one will always be there to catch up with him. if atsumu was rude to his teammates, he still never had that total loneliness, even with all their antipathy, because osamu would just be rude right back instead of abandoning him. so where kageyama had to learn to trust that karasuno trusted him enough to always be there and he'd be able to evolve in a place where he finally didn't have to keep dumbing himself down like at kitadai, atsumu has always HAD that trust in osamu, and his ~learning journey~ happens instead when osamu says he's not going to be continuing with volleyball and atsumu's forced to grapple with actually having to Earn that trust from other people (which is the real value of trust and not the brotherly bond he has with osamu, which i think is reflected when osamu goes 'why tf would i need to trust him? i know the balls gonna be there'). and i think the fact that they have the Osamu Quitting conversation at the end of 2nd year instead of 3rd year means that this wake-up call happens around the same time that atsumu has to learn (from watching kita <3 captain x next captain dynamix) how to actually be a good captain and apply the considerate setter he is to his interpersonal relationships.
2) replacement narrative: basically i think atsuhina is hilarious because 50% of it is during the inarizaki match when atsumu only pays attention to hinata at first because he inexplicably became obsessed w kageyama at youth camp + when he recognizes that hunger in hinata and goes im gonna set for you in a way that actually sees him as an individual spiker and not 1/2 Of The Karasuno Duo, and the other 50% is him in msby trying to grapple with the concept of living up to kageyama as a Replacement Setter Of Hinata (the panel where hes like tobio try not to pick a fight w MY spiker please :) makes me cryyyy every time like the gall). like imagine thinking that you might simply be a pawn used by your crush so that he can defeat HIS ex-crush in the vleague. simply hysterical to me that that's also obviously not how hinata feels about it at all, but its like 90% of atsumu's mental turmoil that he's somehow just a replacement. to quote ur post extra tasty if the replacement goldfish in question knows they're just a substitute but is willing to stay anyway because even a shadow of the real thing is better than nothing. i also think this is good bc especially combined w his trust revelations ^^ and his "cheer if i score, boo if i dont" mentality he can get very like... transactional with how much he thinks he deserves from others. which is why my atsuhina wip was called #ATSUMUNEVERWINS: atsumus accept the wins they think they deserve
3) where that leaves them: it IS narrativeshipping thing because atsumu also goads on kageyama's and hinata's individual developments in a way. it's funnier because neither case was intentional. in kageyama's case it was atsumu calling him a goody-two-shoes and basically kickstarting King Of The Court 2.0 (which is also extra funny when atsumu tells hinata during the jackadlers game Wow u guys at karasuno took kageyama and u told him he could do whatever tf he wanted. LIKE U DID THIS TOO THIS WAS UR FAULT). and in hinata's case it was the fact that atsumu copied the quick + promising to set for him (which is arguably one of the first times someone directly expresses to him his individual value, especially when washijo Tells him during the training camp that he has no value without kageyama) Really showed him that there are other setters out there who can also get him the ball too. and atsumu going the exact opposite way in learning trust as kageyama, which he then carries on to his relationship w hinata thinking that he HASN'T earned that trust bc he IS just a replacement.
basically atsukagehina is just you, the dude you like who you think likes the other dude you like who you think is just using you as a replacement for him. like i individually think kagehina is whatever but when u add all of these together its so chefs kiss to me... wow i genuinely did not expect this to be this long i am so sorry
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sag moon 4 sag moon always im glad you get it about oikita i think i almost made myself insane with it in november. narrativeshipping is also about seeing the narrative you want for yourself in someone else sometimes <3 and RIGHTT oikawa/semi came to me in a moment of revisiting semi's pinch serving moments when he goes 'i understand exactly what it is about shirabu that makes him a better setter than me, but with serves im free' like wow... theres potential there i think especially like. imagine the first shiratorizawa vs seijou game where shirabu starts instead of semi. CHILLS
OK I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF (1/428) but i think this mostly goes back to narrativeshipping too and is maybe kind of a departure from your original premise of them not knowing each other.... sorry in advance, but basically i just think that
1) atsukage opposite narrativeshipping: i mostly think that atsumu's relationship with trust as a ~tyrannical setter~ is almost the exact opposite of kageyama. the reason atsumu never had a moment of kageyama-like abandonment with his attitude is that aran quote like No matter how fast one twin runs, the other one will always be there to catch up with him. if atsumu was rude to his teammates, he still never had that total loneliness, even with all their antipathy, because osamu would just be rude right back instead of abandoning him. so where kageyama had to learn to trust that karasuno trusted him enough to always be there and he'd be able to evolve in a place where he finally didn't have to keep dumbing himself down like at kitadai, atsumu has always HAD that trust in osamu, and his ~learning journey~ happens instead when osamu says he's not going to be continuing with volleyball and atsumu's forced to grapple with actually having to Earn that trust from other people (which is the real value of trust and not the brotherly bond he has with osamu, which i think is reflected when osamu goes 'why tf would i need to trust him? i know the balls gonna be there'). and i think the fact that they have the Osamu Quitting conversation at the end of 2nd year instead of 3rd year means that this wake-up call happens around the same time that atsumu has to learn (from watching kita <3 captain x next captain dynamix) how to actually be a good captain and apply the considerate setter he is to his interpersonal relationships.
2) replacement narrative: basically i think atsuhina is hilarious because 50% of it is during the inarizaki match when atsumu only pays attention to hinata at first because he inexplicably became obsessed w kageyama at youth camp + when he recognizes that hunger in hinata and goes im gonna set for you in a way that actually sees him as an individual spiker and not 1/2 Of The Karasuno Duo, and the other 50% is him in msby trying to grapple with the concept of living up to kageyama as a Replacement Setter Of Hinata (the panel where hes like tobio try not to pick a fight w MY spiker please :) makes me cryyyy every time like the gall). like imagine thinking that you might simply be a pawn used by your crush so that he can defeat HIS ex-crush in the vleague. simply hysterical to me that that's also obviously not how hinata feels about it at all, but its like 90% of atsumu's mental turmoil that he's somehow just a replacement. to quote ur post extra tasty if the replacement goldfish in question knows they're just a substitute but is willing to stay anyway because even a shadow of the real thing is better than nothing. i also think this is good bc especially combined w his trust revelations ^^ and his "cheer if i score, boo if i dont" mentality he can get very like... transactional with how much he thinks he deserves from others. which is why my atsuhina wip was called #ATSUMUNEVERWINS: atsumus accept the wins they think they deserve
3) where that leaves them: it IS narrativeshipping thing because atsumu also goads on kageyama's and hinata's individual developments in a way. it's funnier because neither case was intentional. in kageyama's case it was atsumu calling him a goody-two-shoes and basically kickstarting King Of The Court 2.0 (which is also extra funny when atsumu tells hinata during the jackadlers game Wow u guys at karasuno took kageyama and u told him he could do whatever tf he wanted. LIKE U DID THIS TOO THIS WAS UR FAULT). and in hinata's case it was the fact that atsumu copied the quick + promising to set for him (which is arguably one of the first times someone directly expresses to him his individual value, especially when washijo Tells him during the training camp that he has no value without kageyama) Really showed him that there are other setters out there who can also get him the ball too. and atsumu going the exact opposite way in learning trust as kageyama, which he then carries on to his relationship w hinata thinking that he HASN'T earned that trust bc he IS just a replacement.
basically atsukagehina is just you, the dude you like who you think likes the other dude you like who you think is just using you as a replacement for him. like i individually think kagehina is whatever but when u add all of these together its so chefs kiss to me... wow i genuinely did not expect this to be this long i am so sorry