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actually the most romantic thing in the universe
lately i have found myself typing '[objectively unromantic thing] is the most romantic thing in the universe' way too much so as guy who loves categorisation i am going to try to sort my favourite ship dynamics into types but since i have such incomprehensible taste i don't know how successful this will be. let's find out!
first of all, i will never not pickship and that is a promise everything else is subsidiary to the fact that i love to smash my faves together more than anything. actual canon interaction is 100% optional i will invent the dynamic myself if i have to but truly the vast majority of my otps are my favourite x my second favourite... i'm already so invested in them individually of course i will be invested in them together. also a lot of these categories cross over because everything i like is kind of the same. broadly i have sorted these dynamics into four groups: <power dynamics>, <haterism>, <narrativeshipping>, and <not knowing each other>
POWER DYNAMICS
unbalanced power dynamics are the best that's all i have to say. preferably via formal rank differences but unequally reciprocated feelings are also fine
mentorshipping
sparring mentorships
leader x second-in-command
leader x protege
leader x lancer
self-sacrifice
HATERISM
i like it when people don't like each other <3 especially if there's bitter history between them!!
enemies
obviously i'm a huge fan... the very definition of haterism. ideological tension is the best basis for enmity imo none of this simple misunderstanding stuff i want deeply and tragically incompatible worldviews!! here are my favourite subtypes:
childhood friends to enemies
childhood friendly rivals to enemies
exes
enemies to reluctant allies
first of all, i will never not pickship and that is a promise everything else is subsidiary to the fact that i love to smash my faves together more than anything. actual canon interaction is 100% optional i will invent the dynamic myself if i have to but truly the vast majority of my otps are my favourite x my second favourite... i'm already so invested in them individually of course i will be invested in them together. also a lot of these categories cross over because everything i like is kind of the same. broadly i have sorted these dynamics into four groups: <power dynamics>, <haterism>, <narrativeshipping>, and <not knowing each other>
POWER DYNAMICS
unbalanced power dynamics are the best that's all i have to say. preferably via formal rank differences but unequally reciprocated feelings are also fine
mentorshipping
- eg any troika member/kirihara (prince of tennis), riku/sena (eyeshield 21), v/kaito (yugioh zexal), haruna/mihashi (oofuri)
sparring mentorships
- eg *****/**** (***), androssi/baam (tower of god), squalo/yamamoto (katekyo hitman reborn), ...bucky/natasha (marvel)
leader x second-in-command
- eg sanada/yukimura (prince of tennis), milner/assistant (utopia), xanxus/squalo (katekyo hitman reborn), iwaizumi/oikawa (haikyuu)
leader x protege
- eg any current captain x future captain ship, oikawa/kageyama (haikyuu), altan/rin (the poppy war)
leader x lancer
- eg yukimura/niou (prince of tennis), atobe/shishido (prince of tennis), kite/rin (prince of tennis), hanamaki/oikawa (haikyuu)
self-sacrifice
- eg yukimura/marui (prince of tennis), kiryu/yusei (yugioh 5ds), daniel/roen (tower of god)
HATERISM
i like it when people don't like each other <3 especially if there's bitter history between them!!
enemies
obviously i'm a huge fan... the very definition of haterism. ideological tension is the best basis for enmity imo none of this simple misunderstanding stuff i want deeply and tragically incompatible worldviews!! here are my favourite subtypes:
childhood friends to enemies
- eg luke/thalia (percy jackson), takasugi/katsura (gintama), dimitri/felix (fe3h)
childhood friendly rivals to enemies
- eg yusei/jack (yugioh 5ds), gintoki/takasugi (gintama), tenka/sousei (donten ni warau)
exes
- eg inui/yanagi (prince of tennis), bortz/diamond (houseki no kuni)
enemies to reluctant allies
- eg reiji/shun (yugioh arc v), takeru/ryoken (yugioh vrains)
gritted-teeth enemy of my enemy teamwork for the sake of a temporarily aligned common goal despite haterism otherwise is so fun every time, i love the group project energy. especially if the antipathy is only one-sided and the other person is fine or even happy to be working together. really funny if it shades into leader x lancer dynamic
rivals
- eg yugi/kaiba (yugioh dm (the original rivalshipping)), chihaya/shinobu (chihayafuru), kirihara/ryoma (prince of tennis), crow/jack (yugioh 5ds)
separate from enemies! rivals is more focused on competitiveness and pushing yourself to become better so you can beat the other person rather than necessarily trying to kill the other person (though that might also be an element of the dynamic depending on the canon but like your rival is your balance you don't truly want to get rid of them)... fun and flirty tension <3 or anguished tension <3
you saved me, you should remember me
you saved me, you should remember me
- eg reiji/serena (yugioh arc v), yusaku/ryoken (yugioh vrains), *******/******** (****)
this is so specific but basically when A saved B's life when they were children, and then they grow into ideologically opposed enemies on different sides of a war who don't recognise/remember each other at first, and by the time they realise who they had once been to each other it's too late to reconcile... OR IS IT!!
NARRATIVESHIPPING
as a 2pickshipper i often have to rely on metatextual connections rather than actual canon interactions to form my theses and i literally do think that it's it's more important for a ship to have parallels than to like be in love or anything. it's actually really hard for me to ship any dynamic where i can't Connect Dots between the characters... this is less important in rpf obviously but it's everything to me in fpf
narrative parallels
NARRATIVESHIPPING
as a 2pickshipper i often have to rely on metatextual connections rather than actual canon interactions to form my theses and i literally do think that it's it's more important for a ship to have parallels than to like be in love or anything. it's actually really hard for me to ship any dynamic where i can't Connect Dots between the characters... this is less important in rpf obviously but it's everything to me in fpf
narrative parallels
- eg yukimura/kirihara (prince of tennis), shun/serena (yugioh arc v), finnick/johanna (hunger games)
NOTHING IS MORE TRUELOVE THAN BEING NARRATIVE PARALLELS!!! "you and i are the same" is simply the most romantic dialogue ever i loveeee acknowledgements of similarity or recognition of the self in the other, that's a confession in my eyes. i do appreciate a good set of narrative foils too but i prefer sameness over contrasts >__> if i had to pick ONE type of ship out of all of these it would be narrative parallels because even most of what i enjoy about mentorships stems from some kind of parallel between the mentor and mentee
selfcest
selfcest
- eg yugi/atem (yugioh dm), bakura/ryou (yugioh dm), yuma/astral (yugioh zexal)
metaphorically being the same person is extremely romantic to me and so is literally being the same person. i'm including bodysharing, clonefucking and alternate dimension versions of the same person under the general selfcest umbrella they are all good
identity theft as a love language
identity theft as a love language
- eg yuzu/serena (yugioh arc v), yagyuu/niou (prince of tennis), shinichi/haibara (detective conan), shinichi/kaito/ran (detective conan)
pretending to be someone else is the height of romance!! especially if the other person doesn't know about the identity jacking
highrankershipping
highrankershipping
- eg cxk/zzt (idol producer), any zahard princess ship (tower of god (the original highrankershipping)), most interteam sportsani ships
i love people who win. and i love when people who win interact with other people who win. i love elite cliques!! i also love when they don't interact and/or aren't cliquey it is simply enough for highrankers to rank highly in the general vicinity of one another it's great when they don't know each other too, i find this so compelling. basically this is synonymous with pickshipping because being a highranker is a prerequisite to being one of my picks lol
tinhetting
tinhetting
- eg reiji/serena (yugioh arc v), seungcheol/nayoung (pledis), cato/clove (hunger games), noi/shin (dorohedoro)
special subcategory for tinhets because i love hetshipping so much it's unreal. explicitly canon hets can be a little hit or miss for me but if that shit is narratively implied or if i can like delusionally draw connections between a guy and a girl it just makes me uniquely unhinged i can't really explain why. these days i use tinhet to describe any noncanon het i like but originally the meaning was supposed to be narrowly construed ie legitimate belief that the interactions were intended to be read romantically / that the people in question had a crush on e/o
protagonist x final boss villain
protagonist x final boss villain
- eg yukimura/ryoma (prince of tennis), ai/yusaku (yugioh vrains), yamato/sena (eyeshield 21), hinata/oikawa (haikyuu)
wasn't sure whether to put this under haterism but imo it's more about the structure of the story bringing them together, any enmity/rivalry is secondary to the inevitability of narrative forces because there SHOULD be some kind of history or thematic paralleling that builds up to the big boss battle... i especially love a formerly invincible final boss who suffers their first defeat at the hands of the protag, Unkillable Guy x Guy Who Kills Them Anyway is a very special relationship dynamic. extra epic if it overlaps with leader x protege
NOT KNOWING EACH OTHER
this is sort of a subset of narrativeshipping because narrativeshipping is about what's in my head rather than what's in canon but also it's kinda distinct enough to have its own category. this type is about the lack of closeness, even if (especially if) it seems that they should know each other. just like... existing separately but having vaguely overlapping spheres. this is romance to me. not the same as haterism because haterism is about intense feelings, not knowing e/o is about no feelings or like really vague or lukewarm feelings, but somehow ending up physically proximate anyway
2 people who are both closer to the same 3rd person
NOT KNOWING EACH OTHER
this is sort of a subset of narrativeshipping because narrativeshipping is about what's in my head rather than what's in canon but also it's kinda distinct enough to have its own category. this type is about the lack of closeness, even if (especially if) it seems that they should know each other. just like... existing separately but having vaguely overlapping spheres. this is romance to me. not the same as haterism because haterism is about intense feelings, not knowing e/o is about no feelings or like really vague or lukewarm feelings, but somehow ending up physically proximate anyway
2 people who are both closer to the same 3rd person
- eg takeru/aoi (yugioh vrains), joshua/seungcheol (seventeen), oshitari/jirou (prince of tennis)
especially if they have some kind of external circumstance that draws them together like being in the same age line, but they're still weirdly distant or at least not as close as they could be. it doesn't have to be jealousy just like... ambiguous tension. or not even tension maybe they just have no reason to interact
replacement goldfish
replacement goldfish
- eg yuto/yuzu (yugioh arc v), yugo/yuzu (yugioh arc v), yagyuu/niou (prince of tennis) except that they're both replacement goldfishing themselves
a "you remind me a lot of someone very important to me" type dynamic. can grow out of the replacement feelings and into a dynamic premised on their own terms, or stay as one person using the other as a substitute for someone else forever. again not reflected in the examples but i think it's extra tasty if the replacement goldfish in question knows they're just a substitute but is willing to stay anyway because even a shadow of the real thing is better than nothing
classmates / coworkers
classmates / coworkers
- eg niou/marui (prince of tennis), sousei/kiiko (donten ni warau), shinichi/haibara (detective conan), literally any kpop ship but especially haechan/renjun (nct) for classmates energy though they do know each other
varying degrees of knowingness allowed here but the key is situational closeness and context-specific understanding of someone else. special shoutout to company approved propaganda cps i love deliberate fanservice and transactional relationships. i've folded classmates and coworkers into the same subset but i think classmates veers closer towards knowing and coworkers veers closer towards not knowing.
both are relationships that may not have eventuated if not for situational necessity but classmates is like... gossiping, passing notes in class, bitching about stuff together, always sitting next to each other, linking arms in the hallway, Those Two Girls. coworkers is less cliqueish and more professional, something along the lines of commiseration rather than bitching, joint accountability, helping e/o out with difficult clients, emotional support during deadline crunching... it's very slightly different vibes
last survivors
both are relationships that may not have eventuated if not for situational necessity but classmates is like... gossiping, passing notes in class, bitching about stuff together, always sitting next to each other, linking arms in the hallway, Those Two Girls. coworkers is less cliqueish and more professional, something along the lines of commiseration rather than bitching, joint accountability, helping e/o out with difficult clients, emotional support during deadline crunching... it's very slightly different vibes
last survivors
- eg gale/johanna (hunger games), felix/ingrid (fe3h crimson flower route), chaghan/rin (the poppy war), mayu/ryo (7 seeds)
often overlaps with <2 people who are both closer to the same 3rd person> if that 3rd person is dead or out of the picture lol. this is about situational closeness again, forcing two people who wouldn't otherwise talk to each other or would prefer the company of others to interact due to the sheer lack of anyone else to interact with LOL i want the 'we have nothing left but each other and if i could choose i wouldn't have chosen you but it's not up to me' vibes
to conclude, here is a visualisation filled out with yugioh ships:

and here is a visualisation filled out with tennis ships:

i don't necessarily like a ship more just because it fits into more categories but my #1 agendas for both series being in the overlap of all 4 is creating an image that really makes me think...
to conclude, here is a visualisation filled out with yugioh ships:

and here is a visualisation filled out with tennis ships:

i don't necessarily like a ship more just because it fits into more categories but my #1 agendas for both series being in the overlap of all 4 is creating an image that really makes me think...
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anyway, it really is amazing how much we broadly like the same types of things and have extremely similar taste but we like them in different ways and will go in opposite directions in execution. like, i love power dynamix but ambiguity & ambivalence >>> formal command structures, and enemies to reluctant allies/lovers >>> friends/lovers to enemies, and i also love the sub-categories of not knowing each other you posited but i also need canon interax to live. i do think ultimately we're not so different after all tho but my priorities among these dynamix are distributed differently than yours. lmao idk if i should continue navelgazing in this comment or just save it for my own post since i'd been meaning to do something similar for general story tropes, but ship dynamix would be easier.
ALSO idk if you've read it already, but you haveeeeeeeee to read ancillary justice. the main dynamix is literally haters to leader x 2ic w/ hints of one-sided
You Saved MeI Was Your First Ship, You Should Remember Me (and many variations and inversions on that theme among various characters), and there's some light mentorshipping + potential narrativeshipping in the books 2 and 3. i already did a quotespost of the first book that includes most of the major main dynamix moments if you want to check if it baits you (though the leader x 2ic dynamix doesn't actually happen until book 2).(no subject)
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LOVE EVERYTHING U SAID ABOUT LEADER/PROTEGE skillsets as a narrative device is already so good (1/503) but the explicit connection being made between I Am Passing This To You Physically and the complexities that come with it... mwah. especially of the captain x future captain variant (atsukita......................) highly competitive ambitious people who struggle between wanting to stay at the top vs the fact that knowing your own skill can be reflected in what you pass onto others. MWAH.
NARRATIVESHIPPING IS A HUGE ONE!!! i didn't see this post when i made the tweet about having ur development reflected in each other and finding some common ground in that is more romantic than being in love about ushisaku (which is perfect) but this is it exactly... a few months ago i think i exhausted this tactic with oikawa x pretty much every character in haikyuu (semi for the Talented setter who has a strong desire to stand out whose playing style Isn't Exactly What the Straight Forward Power Shiratorizawa Needs which i love thinking about like in terms of stz!oikawa, atsumu for the [DATA EXPUNGED BC IT'LL BE LONG BUT YOU GET IT], and my personal favourite... kita for the fact that kita's overarching monsters' banquet philosophy is basically just the logical progression of oikawa You Don't Know When You Stop Evolving, that he eventually settles into after argentina... which i also think is such a unique take on that. like yeah it's narrative parallel shipping but also oikawa had to really grow into that after 900 trials and tribulations and kita just like knew that since middle school bc he's omniscient. but ive always thought oikawa would admire kita SO much for the way he isnt the most flashy person on the court but is the central anchor to his team, and this would just be adding to that. but also oikita is definitely also 2pickshipping for me) BUT BASICALLY YES IT'S SO GOOD
i will spare you my atsukagehina vision (which is different from the dominant atsukagehina vision bc im just making sure i dont fit in and also everyone else is wrong about it) re: 2 people who are closer to the same person and replacement goldfish bc im not sure if u even want to hear it, but its good. and it applies. i agree so much
sorry for how long this ended up being and for mostly thinking about things exclusively in terms of volleyball. ALSO RE: CLASSMATES/COWORKERS DYNAMICS being trapped under an institution together >>>>>>>>> i always think about u saying that group project dynamic > found family bc its true that sometimes its just not realistic i wonder if u will do a post about ur favourite team dynamics i would definitely also be interested in reading that 100%
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