i'm so picky picky picky

[rhodochrosite]

really feeling inspired by niz's haterism so here is a list of things in fic that i dislike the most. i do hate pretty much everything that isn't the 5 things i like and even if it's something i like i can easily hate the execution so if you enjoy something in this post then i respect it but i am politely averting my eyes. yes i've written a bunch of these but that is because i love to self-oppress and test my abilities. i also hate many other things but these are the main sources:

story tropes

• infidelity - i think this is my truest and longest abiding landmine i seriously cannot stand cheating at all it's personally unforgiveable to me in a way that i can't be like It's Just Fiction about
• pregnancy - extremely body horror to me and not in a fun way the concept just freaks me out so bad
• soulmates - boring. i can almost never suspend my disbelief for whatever the main conflict is supposed to be in these also some of the premises are so silly... like ? getting the same song stuck in your head or being born with a matching necklace or whatever. also i just don't like the idea of only having some predestined single perfect match
• reincarnation and 25 lives - boring
• teacher/student - i love mentorships but i absolutely draw the line here. maybe it's because i work as a tutor lol 
• gay people fic - like fic about the experience of being gay. i extremely do not enjoy sexuality and gender introspection in fic, it's not the kind of internal or external conflict i'm interested in exploring at all
  • i also just hate reading about homophobia in fics generally, i'm literally guy who puts Dislikes: homophobia, sexism, racism on their carrd lmfao
• fake dating for a mundane reason - unless the canon has a jokes kind of tone where i could buy it plausibly happening, the only fake dating allowed is spies going undercover as dating/married for a case. i just can't suspend my disbelief for any other premise. like why are you fake dating for a bet where are the stakes
• pair the spares - it pisses me off when an entire cast is paired off because odds are that people are just being thrown together to pair the spares and the characterisation is going to be completely wrong. i'm rarepairfucker9000 and it personally offends me when people don't put the requisite thought and effort into fleshing out the dynamics... if you pair the spares do it RIGHT
• soft uwu femslash - like it's almost worse than no femslash because it's so SUBSTANCELESS and most likely horribly out of character. i don't want to read bland eat your veggies girls holding hands shipfic i want proper tension and fuckedupness and depiction of the dynamic specific to the girls in question, not fic that reads like you've just f/r'd any random two girls into a tumblr imagine
• omegaverse (kind of) - i used to hate omegaverse but i had to stockholm myself into tolerating it as a survival mechanism ever since i got into kpop... i like the forced unrepression/desperation aspect of heats because it reminds me of sex pollen which is the superior trope, i hate the mpreg and gender stuff and biological essentialism and like umm everything else. and i hate even more when these parts are "deconstructed" or criticised or something in-story i could not care less about intricate a/b/o worldbuilding like at least be honest and get to the fucking, which i can at least respect. non-traditional a/b/o dynamics are literally worse than regular a/b/o
• when i can tell op doesn't care about women - because i CAN tell. i can tell if you're only pairing off the female characters to get them out of the way for the main slash ship!! i can tell if you're twisting them into evil ex girlfriend or protective mother tropes!! i can tell if you're just straight up ignoring they exist!! and i hate you!!
• anything that sets off my sense of secondhand embarrassment - i'm very sensitive about this i can't read anything that's like relentlessly dunking on a character or making them undergo public humiliation or ruining their reputation
• incorrect use of honorifics - yes i have mental and sometimes literal spreadsheets of canonical honorific use and unless there is a compelling reason in-story for that usage to change then i will not forgive mistakes!! dropping honorifics during sex is not a compelling reason, the honorifics should always stay ON in bed. similarly, noncanonical nicknames also annoy me especially in east asian fandoms like non-english languages have different conventions around how to abbreviate names and i hate so much when english writers ignore that and just go with how they think the nickname might be formed in english
• americanisation and general lack of cultural specificity - why are these east asian characters who do not live in america going to prom / making weirdly specific jokes about american states / exclusively referencing hallmarks of american pop culture?? how hard is it to do a bit of research for cultural accuracy??? this also extends to narration and the choice of figurative language... like seriously is a japanese character who grew up in japan going to reach for the greek mythology metaphors first as a matter of fact? this really pisses me off because it's like... the assumption that of course everyone in the world makes the same intertextual references and associations. at least JUSTIFY the connection in-story rather than taking it as a given. also in general i've kinda hit saturation point for greek myth imagery and metaphors about icarus and all, because most of the time they are just really bad and boring metaphors

porn tropes
i'm even more hateristic when it comes to porn because i don't like anything even more intensely than i don't like anything in non-explicit fic

• wrong person tops - #1 LANDMINE i wish curses and evil and malignant energy upon everyone who makes the wrong person in my ship top die die die i wish you a very die it literally is that serious to me. i'll exit a fic at the 80k mark if the fucking occurs in the wrong direction i don't care. i hate everyone who ships the opposite order to me and i hate that they are out there having their opinion on the internet where i can see it. and i will have strong top/bottom opinions about anything for free i don't even have to know the canon but i will freely die on these hills. i think it is okay to be insane about top/bottom preferences. righteous, even... so long as i agree.
• switching/versatility - NO REVERSE!!!!! i am extremely fixed preferences fucker 左右固定 i cannot change this. even if it is a ship that i grudgingly concede might switch that is all happening offscreen to me i don't want to actually see it
  • to be clear switch/verse is the same thing to me because i only like to see dom tops and sub bottoms. i hate power bottoming and sub topping as well
  • i honestly used to be a normal person about switching and t/b preferences and then everything changed when i got into kpop This is all nct's fault
• kink negotiation - boring as hell and not sexy. reading safeword and traffic light discussions makes me wish i were dead. also do people realise that plain vanilla sex doesn't need a traffic light system set up beforehand it's literally vanilla sex... and i don't like formal bdsm anyway but even for kink just have all that offscreen or implied. i think maybe everyone should just be telepathic about limits and whatever
• enthusiastic consent - also boring as hell i skip anything with this tag because the porn will probably be 90% like checking for traffic light colour... and anyway repression and tsundereism >>>>>
• medical kink - freaks me out. really unsexy to me
• feminisation, gender play - does nothing for me, i don't like to see it. crossdressing is fine, i don't like it but i don't hate it either
• daddy kink - why is it everywhere? and UNTAGGED??? fathers are not sexy to me. we need to un-normalise daddy kink so people will start tagging for it again so i can avoid it
• pegging - let girls bottom
• food play - it seems so unsanitary and i don't get the appeal... same with anything involving bodily functions

i could keep going but i would be here forever because i really do hate so much and it's way easier to fumble the execution in pornfic so i'm even less forgiving also a lot of stuff actually like scares me to think about rather than just haterising me so i try to banish it from my memory lmao...

Comments

[fairybread]

amazing post btw. its so true, and also made me realise how much i dislike some of these tropes.

[rhodochrosite]

😚😚 thank you!!! love to have my haterism affirmed <3

[hyojungss]

you have taste as always but i just wanted to mention that no soft uwu femslash section like *____* that's a really excellent way to put why it's so unreadable... it IS about the dynamics&tension and it is otherwise pointless.

[rhodochrosite]

hehe thank uuu... and u get it 😭😭😭 i think seriously one of my biggest grievances is that people defang f/f ships sooo much in fic and absolutely refuse to give them any kind of tension/conflict or even like distinguishing feature about the dynamic in particular... femslash fic is so generic overall im like well why do you even like this ship? and its so sad because theres so little f/f fic in the first place...

[westfall]

guy who reads haterism posts with giant smile on their face. is literally how i feel right now. always delighted to read abt ash-specific brand of rage and hate, mostly bc it reminds me that all my seemingly unjustifiable hatred is valid<3 thank u for sharing, fixed-preferences-fucker-anonymous 5ever ♡

[rhodochrosite]

SMOOCH i love to be a hater so much and i think fixed preferences is so valid <333

<3

[fwcu]

I love that u are so incapable of like releasing truly non-pr opinions even in your #haterism moments because this is all stuff anyone could know from reading your yuletide letter T-T but with more insight ig<3 also I love that u care about women and love women bc like RT RT RT

idk if I've ever said it but YEAH gay people fic bothers me so much esp when like.... the white/western experience is just so Alien to anyone who isn't white. also just the white narrative in general about #living_my_truth or whatever the hell it actually is so unappealing. the whole thing about being Gay in any other culture context is just how u can't Actually Be Gay. not that I want people to write about that but like... so annoying when people treat gay like a personality trait or a plot point it's not any of those things...

I also am Dislikes: Racism, Homophobia, Sexism... whattttt's the pointtttt esp in fic which is Max Form of Escapism, and sometimes like Attempts At Media Analysis ... idk makes no sense.

I also can't stand like everything else u put on ur list which just proves that disliking the same things is also a way to bring people together!

ALSO RT RT RT greek metaphors like we have to get these people better material. unfortunate since most of their reading ends and begins on. um. other fic. who knows! maybe everyone should just relate all metaphors back to TENNIS which imo has covered everything ever.

Re: <3

[rhodochrosite]

well my yt letters are hosted on a separate dw so its kind of deep cuts! also exchange culture politeness means i cant explain why i hate the things i dnw.. really i made this whole list so i could talk about being fixed preferences fucker LOL

i try not to be overly militant girls stan because i dont know how to say it in a non corny "appreciate women!" way but i genuinely think people with patterns of not faving/shipping/thinking about etc female characters beyond the bare minimum Badass Ladies lip service need to do some deep introspection and improve themselves. i dont understand how you can even exist like that like its just such a foreign mindset to me. like... just do better... theres nothing else to say lmao but You get me

omg yes the cultural aspect of Gay Experience fic is a huge part of what bothers me, like firstly i dont even read fic for ~catharsis or um relatability or w/e anyway but even if i did why would i want to read about a white experience of being gay that has like nothing to do with mine. also it annoys me when people just like wholesale project super western lens of sexuality and gender onto nonwhite characters in terms of how they frame and articulate their experiences(im not sure how to phrase this but u get the point)... every day im like Your experiences are not universal!!!

im actually really surprised we agree on so much i feel like im so used to us not agreeing kdsfjgskfdjg but im very happy about it 😚😚😚 haterism is a bonding experience fr. and its literally so true that tennis metaphors should be the next big thing. LOVE U!!

[pochakko]

so true.
so true.
so true.
so true.

djksikdsjjisdlkjsld nontraditional a/b/o dynamics are literally worse than traditional a/b/o dynamics THIS IS SO TRUE ITS UNREALLLLLLLL why do people insist on making this more than a disgusting (not necessarily derogatory) porn trope. just stop. why did we abolish sex pollen! bring back sex pollen pleek!

anything that sets off secondhand embarrassment also so true and thee reason why i cant read like 90% of all fic. i am literally so embarrassed by Things Happening its unreal

well you already know how i feel about LEFT RIGHT FIXED NO REVERSE EVER it really is number one landmine of all time ever just be correct its that easy. love the energy you brought to this description btw it really is exactly like that....but also my form of being insane abt this is control f-ing to cock first to check and immediately exiting if their wrong i dont have time to make returnless investments like this....
i too will grudgingly be like 😒ill pretend i didnt see that if a fic like references switching as long as its ALLEGEDLY happening....OUT of my sight. still makes me mad tho. but you may actually be more intense about your fixed preferences tho bc i will also engage in power bottoming/sub topping even tho i usually dont agree as long as theyre at least getting the order right....its the wrong characterization/right order >>>>>> right characterization/wrong order at work 😔😔😔😔😔😔as long as its not like wayyy too egregious. once again it is literally true that nct do be having 0s and 1s tho unfortunately i cannot say the same i have always been like this its not my fauuuultltttt :/

wow im sorry for only commenting on the porn stuff just know i agree with the other things too dsjksdjhuhijalk

[rhodochrosite]

RIGHT LMFAO i hateeeeeeee a/b/o subversions so much. why did you make this guy an omega if they aren't bottoming. the poor jfandom users who read that guide to ao3 and followed the advice to look at omegaverse if they have fixed preferences... the poor ME who has fixed preferences... its actually sooooo sad that a/b/o has replaced the sex pollen niche what if we dont want the threat of mpreg in our fuck or die situations smfh

😚😄 thank u for always being my fellow stable society fixed preferences crusader!!! You understand. You get me. i literally am going to start ctrl f'ing to cock to check too i cant keep living like this. i mean like im also wrong characterisation right order >> right characterisation wrong order so ill still eat sub top/dom bottom but ill be mad and haterised about it.. 😢 you are extremely valid and correct to have always been like this, i do be retrospectively applying my newly acquired polarised preferences to my old fandoms now for a fun bit of historical revisionism but you were literally so right when you said nct do be having 1s and 0s because they do.

[azureblue]

ASH LMAO i love randomly logging into dw every few weeks and seeing another Categorisation Post from rhodochrosite. delicious food to me. and haterism <3 i agree with honestly all of these i think. theres no disagreeing w u i think there r only maybe differences in the Degree of hatred. also ctfu so much about writing things despite hating them bc i have honestly done that so many times and quite recently too, im always like i can do it better than everyone else and ruin the general trope for these random anonymous readers once they see im the only one who gets it. (they definitely dont care this much)

pregnancy thing is so true and i wouldve agreed anyway but literally i was watching breaking dawn pt1 with my friends yesterday and we were all like damn this specific pregnancy has ruined pregnancy for so many ppl in this generation

PAIR THE SPARES IS LIKE the exact same logic as the tweet thats like why hoseok the bus driver all of a sudden... Like i barely even wanna pair my main pairing together sometimes bc everything is more romantic than romance so WHY would it be my business if these characters in the background have a thing w each other or not

SOFT UWU FEMSLASHHHH. it 100% is the exact same thing as being able to tell when op doesnt actually care about women. like femslash fic doesnt have a single character trait sometimes other than op trying to go Lets Go Lesbians 😭 i have experienced a lifetimes worth of hate as ex twitter user wenqingdyke among people who only bring wen qing up to call her a lesbian. like i obviously also thought that but its seriously where their character analysis begins and ends. LIKE WHAT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL HATERISMS AND CONFLICTS AND GROWTHS? NARRATIVESHIPPING IS EVEN MORE DESPERATE AND FUCKED UP WHEN ITS WOMEN MOST OF THE TIME AND THERES SO MUCH POTENTIAL ... They literally wouldnt get it. Dont even get me started on the concept of yearning also

the americanisation 😭😭😭 i think weve talked about this before too but like i feel like i always worry so much when im writing non familiar settings and im like dying w research to make sure i dont seem like a Fake. i also dont like immigrant au where the characters are still like ethnically japanese but culturally theyre american and so is everything else in the setting just bc op is american and lazy. (once again: i have written these even when i already hated them, but for the aforementioned I Can Fix Them But I Don't Even Want To I Just Want To Prove Myself Better reasons) im just kind of like why. is PROM rly that important to u. but the worst by far is if theyre in the same universe as canon but op just adds fucking whatever like why r they leaving their japanese high school to go to a trader joes. What is wrong with you. AND I AGREE SO MUCH ABT GREEK MYTHOLOGY like even if it was in a context where it would make sense im kinda like 😒... but thats also partly bc i hate when people r like oh its gay to love greek mythology or whatever and im like OK WE ALL READ PERCY JACKSON. WE CAN MOVE ON NOW U R 20 SOMETHING YEARS OLD. Like its still haterism in general bc i just cant stand when the Yearning Greek Mythology gays enjoy things and has little to do w fic tropes specifically but yk... also i hate to fit in so i think greek mythology metaphors are always gonna be cringey and overused to me. this is coming from Guy who cant stop using the exact same 5 light metaphors except the difference is i like light metaphors

i had an irl conversation with my friend about tropes we hated like last week and i think my top contender that wasnt on this list is fics where the trope is literally just the location. like i think this barely even qualifies bc i think bad/lazy writing honestly gets my haterism instincts more than anything else even if the premise is good and these things r endemic to these tropes, but also same thing w working as a turor and hating student/teacher (me too btw...) i work customer service and know that it just simply cannot ever be this way

trying to think of anything else i hate bc i KNOW theres more... i really dont even actively seek out fic anymore because everything is bad to me unless me or my gay friends wrote it. except sometimes i will go thru the bookmarks of ppl who bookmark my fics and then read those to gauge whether it was an insult or a compliment that that user liked my fic... LMAO

[rhodochrosite]

HI NICO <3 <3 literally sagmoon2sagmoon communication You always get me. LOL i respect ur competitive passion so much, my own tendency to keep writing things on this list is the same except its competition against myself... every day i challenge myself to see how well can i execute something that i hate and the result is always that i have created something that i hate so i dont know who the winner is supposed to be there ctfu

PLEASE THE PREGNANCY THING LITERALLY IS BECAUSE OF BREAKING DAWN i was so traumatised when i read that shit when i was 12, no matter how i look at it this is all twilights fault...!!! "this" referring to like literally everything. including my killer post as well

bskajdshgskjksdgf the pair the spares thing is soooo rampant in fandoms with big ensemble casts its like Guys its literally ok for people to not all be in relationships.. i think the funniest ones came out of svt cause it would always be like dino foreveralone and one randomly wack spares pairing like josh/dk that op would be like THeyre in love source dude just trust me about (speaking with full self awareness as ex twitter user juncheolsoo). and i true that i dont even want my main pairing to be in a relationship i knew you would understand

femslash fic doesnt have a single character trait sometimes other than op trying to go Lets Go Lesbians dying at how real this is... Truly the amount of terrible f/f fic ive read cannot be overstated. people are so afraid of giving women interiority and tension smh!!!! part of this is laziness / badly concealed lack of care beyond awesome ladies lip service but also i do think the like Lets Go Lesbians contingent try too hard to ummm ""respect"" women (you know what i mean) and just completely defang their relationships in a misguided attempt at positivity or something. but as this is a haterism post, i dont extend any sympathy for the presumably good intentions and i think its pretty much as bad as people who are just outright misogynistic in how they write women. i agree so much that narrativeshipping is even better when its girls the extra layer of being girls is the most special/terrible/both at the same time thing in the world is suchhhh an interesting and underexplored dimension U could throw any 2 highranker girls together and there would be something fascinating to say about the dynamic!!! also while i was writing up that part i kept thinking about ur coworker who asked if u were yearning for anything and cracking up ksjfdhgkdsjffd

me tooo i also try my best to do research and be culturally accurate if im writing canon compliant fic as like, a matter of course, so it seriously baffles me that people out there are too lazy to even do a quick google search. like at least if its an asam au or w/e op is being honest, when random specifically western shit pops up in canon compliant fic i roll my eyes so hard Just dont assume your experiences are universal its that easyyyyyyy

re: greek myth NO SERIOUSLY like everyone needs to just get better material i promise you i have seen 20 variations of your icarus metaphor already and they all sucked. its the worst when its coming from someone who has no reason to even be referencing greek myth but yeah even when it would make sense its usually bad and overdone anyway. i could do better not that i want to (tho i have anyway). it seriously is the yearning gays like guys it doesnt have to be like this. Spare self awareness please. cosigned by guy who is also obsessed with the same 5 light metaphors 🤝🤝🤝 they are good and not overdone because we are fucking geniuses actually

i actually dont think ive read any fics where its just about a location but i can definitely see what u mean ctfu bad/lazy writing honestly gets my haterism instincts more than anything else ok yeah this is literally ultimately the crux of it u___u like i could probably be sold on many of these things if one of my favourite writers did them even tho they wouldnt because they have good taste. i like it when things are good and i hate it when things are bad. i think everyone should put in more effort into writing... just because its a hobby doesnt mean we cant have standards god

HIGH FIVE ON THE BOOKMARKS THINGDSKJFHGSKDGSKFDKJH sometimes im like is this an insane person thing to do? but i cant help judging peoples tastes and i especially get so offended when people also have like the cringiest most pretentiously self important space metaphor unsubtle use of thesaurus.com purple prose fics bookmarked right next to mine. like yes my fics are also pretentiously self important light metaphor unsubtle use of thesaurus.com purple prose but its different source dude just trust me. and i dont like that people cannot tell this difference.

[azureblue]

CTFUUU every day i challenge myself to see how well can i execute something that i hate and the result is always that i have created something that i hate so i dont know who the winner is supposed to be there no literally its this exactly... but the problem with the haterism is that sometimes its the execution i hate but a lot of time it is just the general premise so its like why have i devoted my time to something that i think is embarrassing and kind of a blight on my ao3.

MEEE like i cant articulate what i was going through reading breaking dawn for the first time in elementary school but im sure you get it. i was like Ummmm ok and you guys want to subject yourself to this horror movie? whatever man

THE DINO FOREVERALONE IN SVT FICS WAS ALWAYS SOOOO FUNNY and ur so right about the way it was in svt fics because it was just pairing the spares for legitimately no reason... i can respect if u have a background agenda and u just think its right but if its literally just shippy musical chairs for u then please stop it. i think once again i hate laziness so im like if u want me to buy that jeonghan and seungkwan would have something going on then u have to at least present a convincing argument.

i COMPLETELY agree re: bad femslash being just as bad as outright misogyny in terms of approach and execution...... i know u havent been into jujutsu kaisen (bullet dodged on ur part TBH i wish i had never been) but i think this is such a rampant example of terrible generic femslash and the way ppl will be like BEHOLD. i am talking about a female character so i am not misogynistic and i am going to say i think she is a lesbian to prove that i am not misogynistic. like its so shallow and boring and transparent and im like i truly dont know why u guys keep getting away with it... jujukai truly activates my haterism so much because i hate the original source material beyond the 2 things that i like and i also hate the fans so much its unreal. i usually have a policy of only getting into something if its been on my tl for over 6 months past the original high of Novelty and people still feel good about it and i should never have broken that rule. but anyway

i could do better not that i want to (tho i have anyway) literally #merightnow all the time... Guy who always has something to prove to an audience of no one... like maybe its the editor job in me but sometimes im like guys u could benefit so much from just fixing this phrasing a little bit here and its still not representative of what i would like but it is at least more passable execution. its still cliche but u could still improve on the prose. ALSO ITS TRUE... OUR LIGHT METAPHOR COALITION 🤝🤝🤝

u get it so much (1/284) but specifically about just because its a hobby doesnt mean we cant have standards god LITERALLY!!!! like im guy who thinks everything is a joke but also only takes jokes seriously and thus everything is taken very seriously all the time but is also a joke. so when i can perceive in a writing that its lazy and tropey (and it is ALWAYS transparent) i get soo annoyed... like it can simultaneously be true that fic is escapism from real life and shouldnt be taken too seriously but also that the same philosophies and general standards apply to fic. also when i say the premise is just the location i mean like shop aus or road trip aus, where everything that happens is just a product of Being In A Flower Shop. i think this doesnt annoy me much anymore because i truly havent even bothered clicking on these in at least 2-3 years but i just think these things are SO tropey that they barely even leave room for any variances or real characterization specific to the characters being written about, which means that you can essentially change the names of all the characters to any random 2 characters and have it still make sense, the laziness of which like i said is so annoying to me more than anything else.

side note that i read a "shop au" earlier this year that was truly so funny to me bc op in the beginning notes was like i hate shop aus, i think theyre a bad trope, so i wrote a shop au which people typically use for meet cutes and intentionally made it as cursed and stupid as possible because i think the whole trope is dumb. and i feel like i had a 🤝 moment with op on that haterism philosophy alone, but i did enjoy it because spite truly is the most powerful motivational force in the world and i abide by this. LMAO anyway i just think that op is spiritually also present in this dw comment exchange

NO LITERALLY and its true too because ur fic is different and so much better. u know this but i have to say it anyway. it really does ruin my day to see a bad generic fake dating fic next to mine... also i dont think i mentioned this in my original comment bc i did used to like fake dating a fair amount in the past but i revisited the trope recently and i was like literally there is no reason for this. actually i dont think it was fake dating i think it was one of them thought they were in a relationship and the other one just didnt wanna tell them that they asked them out on a dare or somethingwsdjflskdjg which like THE ENTIRE PREMISE JUST SUCKS TO ME NOW. its like trying to watch an american sitcom about white people in an apartment and one of the guys is like omg no :'( i cheated on my gf how can i ever tell her about this :'( and then this specific plot drags out for 2 seasons... like i truly just dont care enough. i can be a hater of conflict avoidant people and miscommunication who is like Literally Just Communicate, while also simultaneously being a hater of words of affirmation. i exist

[rhodochrosite]

lmfaooooo its so true that good execution cannot save some premises And Yet i keep trying. and now my ao3 literally is my views do not represent my views 😐 i cant change this tho im addicted to challenging myself for no reason

i generally enjoy random rarepairs cropping up in the bg because i respect the agenda pushing but EVERYONE being paired off is just lazy i fully agree... Show your work!! whats special about ur ship!!! if u have nothing to say i promise it is ok for people to not be dating

omg i was actually just thinking about the stuff ive heard about jjk f/f fic all being super boring ooc soft lesbians in love... at least in older shounen fandoms people were upfront about their misogyny whereas now u have to like sift thru a bunch of transparent posturing. i completely understand hating a source material other than 2 things 😔🤝 also we literally have the same policy about making sure we dont get into shiny new things that are actually bad but mine is in the form of refusing to get into any shounen that isnt from the 90s or at the latest mid 2000s since umm shounen is bad, most of the time

everything is a joke but also only takes jokes seriously and thus everything is taken very seriously all the time but is also a joke THIS SO MUCH LMAO. 1800 i hate laziness!!! like yes its entitled to expect everyone else to put in the same amount of effort that i do into fic but also they literally should tho

OHHH ok i get what u mean about setting trope fic now... fxxking flower shop x tattoo parlour which i literally never click on anyway but i dont understand the appeal at all... like i guess if you were into the aesthetics then it would be nice to see in art but whats the point of it in fic LOL it really is that the trope takes over the individual characterisation nuances. like i feel like if you bothered to execute this premise in a way that was specific to the characters and their ship dynamic then it would just be like then why bother with the trope lol. RESPECT THE HATERISM FUELLED EXECUTION CTFU i have read one (1) florist x tattoo artist au fic that i enjoyed because it was actually about like super toxic gaslighting power imbalance dynamic (accurate to ship in qn) and was also technically canon compliant since it involved a guy who can hop between universes lol

i used to consider myself fake dating liker too but then i realised i was undercover as married liker... like some of these mundane fake dating premises be stupid as hell. i cant believe any of the bet premise ones bc its like theres no stakes. nobodys gonna die if u fail to sell the rship 🙄 helppppp non mutually agreed fake dating is even WORSE augfkhdsjdskfjgsdkfgsfdk that just offends my sense of justice.. the poor person who didnt know wtf. its not that serious but it is tho

[monopoli]

tbh idk if i have anything to say in detail about any of these but i'm literally cracking up at how many of your extreme hated tropes (the tropes specifically, not the writing pet peeves) are my faves 😭 inc feminisation/gender play/gay people fic... i mean i feel like the rest of it is common sense but maybe that's just because we are both #haters anyway albeit in slightly different directions

[rhodochrosite]

HAHA yeah ik a lot of tl really enjoys gay people fic! its extremely not for me but i know you guys have the superior and discerning taste to not run into the cultural stuff that bothers me the most lol. 🤝😄🤝 on the rest of the haterism tho heheh

sounds like ioi pick me

[perlocutionary]

i love how specific and strong you are about hating because either i'm like YES YOU'RE RIGHT or i'm like wow these are irreconciliable differences... more the former than the latter because the latter counts more for your fixed preferences posts...

my instinctual reaction to infidelity is always scroll and delete. like complete mindwipe it doesn't exist to me unless someone i know recs it or wrote it. even then i need 3 business days to get ready because ugh.

i have NO IDEA how 25 lives is so popular like it's cute sometimes i'm always loitering around the landmine store but WHY would anyone subject themselves to writing it? isn't it annoying? isn't it pointless? it's ok for me if there's identity porn because identity porn overrides all tropes but you know. everything else sucks.

gay people fic is always (ok like... 90%) about white people. it's the insufferable 70s 80s 90s whatever 'historical' au where they're disgusting greasers talking about pizza and shit and i can't stand jeno as a white person. sorry it's specifically about him there's just something about straight white guy jeno. maybe it's the visuals idk if you like hot sauce tanktop jeno or not but it gives me traumatic flashbacks i hate it so much

i usually dislike power bottoming as well but i wrote it for my only published nct fic ever idk why... i feel like i wrote all the stuff i usually don't care for... writing is so weird i never want to do it again

picky picky - weki meki !!

[rhodochrosite]

HAHA my obsession with maintaining a stable society is one of my worst traits but i cannot change this. On account of the stable society maintenance... i used very strong language but i do understand that some of these opinions are insane and i respect when my friends diverge from me.... Not strangers tho

identity porn is very good!!! i just dont like reincarnation generally and i find the 25 lives concept in particular kinda cheesy lol

omg i fully agreeeeee that gay people fic being mostly about white people is one of the things that pisses me off the most about it which dovetails into my cultural specificity rant... i forgot to include it in the post but i also hate historical/period/decade aus but ESPECIALLY western ones for asian characters im just like ok why tho. i dont get the aesthetic or storytelling appeal at all lmfao im too annoyed by the WHY ARE THEY WHITE NOW of it all but also i dont want to read exploration of historically accurate isms either so i just avoid

i have also written power bottoming ummm multiple times... and a lot of the other tropes in this post... so i fully understand writing things you dont like LOL🤝

is it too late to check out weki meki

[perlocutionary]

your worst traits are always your best traits... the strong language is very entertaining do not worry

it's so sad that identity porn isn't a common trope in kpop given its potential :((( wouldn't it be hilarious if someone kept trying to be an idol in each life and kept failing

cultural specificity!!! yes exactly and historical aus are ALWAYS royal au because no one wants to read about poor people in the past lmao it's something about worshipping colonial cultures as an aesthetic without ever examining this fixation that's just -_- i do read these aus but it's always sketchyyyyyy

homemade landmines!

[sarcoline]

the way i alr commented on ur fixed preferences post so i know we 🤝🤝 but also feel the need to drop my onions here as well...

scream when i read the reincarnation/25lives part... ummmmm hides my nmfest fic behind me... OK but that aside i agree tho.... like apart from nm i truly have no interest in writing or reading 25lives au think it is kind of really boring if the og couple does not already have that ummmm soulmateism inherent within their dynamic... (<- guy who is trying to rationalize themselves) ik i did rec a reincarnation webtoon a month ago or whatever but LIKE. that was done right. correctly. anyway. its the exception not the rule. etc.

i feel like we basically agree on like. everything else. NOT that that was that much of a disagreement but.. yes stable societies... when switching is mentioned off cam im like ok FINE... ok... i have been landmining myself with so much frquency these days it is a bit alarming but like how can people be so wrong!!! umm cw specific haterisms: qrnerfg yrns znqr zr njner bs n znexabzvaeraulhpx (v xabj) svp jurer WNRZVA jnf 0 naq v jnf whfg yvxr.... bx, tvey v thrff. YVXR BHG BS NYY CRBCYR??? uvz???? lbh unir wrab NAQ erawha NAQ qbatulhpx. naq h pubfr.... uvz????

ok continued agreement: pregnancy is body horror, WHY is daddy kink so prolific and untagged it needs to be tagged again it's seriously a jumpscare, omegaverse should litr just be for spicy porn only idc about omega rights or subverting tropes (usually) and it's an inferior form of sex pollen trope... my eyes also always glaze over when i read gay ppl fic, soft uwu femslash as well like nothing is happening here. i might as well be reading nothing at all. might as well just go watch lesbian porn that's surely more interesting than whatever's happening here which is nothing. ive already talked w u at length about all the ummm honorific pet peeves and nickname pet peeves like how hard is it to just look at the source text!! and be correct!! why am i calling hyuck duckie why is jisung "ji" have we ever heard anyone call him that. no.

also completely agree re: kink negotiation and enthusiastic consent it really is all about repression and magnanimous top knowing everything bottom wants etc etc like THATS WHATS SEXY... following that line down to dubcon metaphorically or literally >>>> fr.

anyway belated opinionposting/response but i am just doing everything today i guess. [guy who only oscillates between extreme amounts of dw posting activity and then radio silence] <3

[rhodochrosite]

😚💖 i always love to hear from my dearest mich!! kjsgfkjdsksfhj this whole list has an implied exception where my friends can do anything they want i trust that you are executing it sexily plus its literally true that jmjn are the find each other in every life type SO. leave is granted. i guess generally i dont go for this type of ship so i dont enjoy 25lives/reincarnation stories but jmjn is exception to many things LOL

i derive so much joy from our interests aligning kkkk but helppppppp not jaemin0 OUT OF ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE?!?!? op is so sick and twisted for this.... how could you be so wrong!!! LMAO OMEGA RIGHTS ACTIVISM i guess it ties into my dislike of gay people fic because i dont care for exploring gender issues in a pwp trope like Just get to the heatsex already. the dubcon unnegotiated d/s aspect is literally the best part i wish it were the point!!! Also you have perfectly good 0s and 1s being coded here why subvert it smhh... wow why cant everyone else be as correct as we are :/

"repression and magnanimous top knowing everything bottom wants" <- YOU get it!!!!!!!! the power dynamics of indulgent but fully in control top x repressed/tsundere bottom most sxc As we have discussed at length ctfu but i literally love to say it so much <3