sounds like he's THE KILLER?
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rhodochrositethis is a follow-up to my original killer post outlining some of the killer spinoffs and subtypes to more accurately describe the nuances within the field of killerism because it really is that serious.
first of all i want to formally retract my categorisation of haibara as The Killer, she is more accurately an almost-killer i.e. someone who had the potential to become The Killer but did not end up following the path due to a moral crisis (extremely cringe fail by the black organisation, how do you fuck up indoctrinating someone you literally raised from birth). the REAL killer in conan is ofc vermouth, who i had not properly met yet at the time i made the post. i understand the error of my ways now tho, nobody is more killer than vermouth.
also, some other killers i forgot to put in my first post: gilgamesh (fate), rokudo mukuro (khr), yagami light (death note), koon aguero agnis (tower of god)
THE SLAUGHTERER
these killers just want to kill as many people as possible, as gruesomely as possible. they love violence and harm, and aren't interested in hiding how unhinged they are. or if they do bother, it's a pretty flimsy veneer. this doesn't necessarily mean they lack technique or finesse, it's more that they are interested in deploying it to maximise the damage they can cause. often very angry/excitable/short-tempered people.
examples:
THE HUNTER
these are killers who eschew charm in favour of just being really fucking good at killing. they're technicians rather than politicians and probably take pride in a particular skill they excel at. any charisma they possess is not cultivated the way that a killer takes care to maintain their image. may be pursuing some particular code or goal. often lone wolf types, though weirdly well-suited to being henchmen sometimes? rt cindi: "the hunter must be…… elite… superiorly intelligent… the precise aim and dedication of the killer and the wide victim range of the slaughterer."
examples:
THE HONEYTRAP
sometimes, killers are bottoms.
examples:
THE CHILD OF GOD
you know how humans can't look directly at divinity lest they be burnt to ashes instantly as mortal beings are not built to withstand even viewing the power of a god? that's the vibe here. it's not that they kill because they have malicious intent; the killing is entirely incidental. they're just too strong. they destroy worlds and slaughter populations simply by virtue of existing. they COULD kill on purpose, but the majority of the carnage follows in their wake as a matter of course. this category is named after yukimura and i can't actually think of anyone else who would fit in this category* but i imagine that children of god are neither regretful nor gleeful about the carnage they cause because it's just a fact of life to them, they probably don't even think about it that much. you can't expect a god to operate on the same kind of morality as a human after all.
* this is a closed category TO ME. even if there are other children of god they will not be in my post because only yukimura is yukimura.
examples:
THE IMPOSTOR
these people have all of the killeristic traits but vitally lack the killing intent / disregard of morality. the emphasis here is on the charm, powerful image management, and identity/persona fuckery. while they are not actually Killers, i'm including them in this list too because i believe in acknowledging my sources (jaemin) and this category represents the other group of characters i associate with him.
examples:
once again i welcome all further examples and subtype suggestions <3 i've also been considering Killer Who Abides By Strong Ethical/Otherwise Strict Code (the vigilante? the.. executioner.....?) as another subtype but i wonder if that is drifting too far from the original concept of The Killer? examples would be guys like sanada and ryoken...
first of all i want to formally retract my categorisation of haibara as The Killer, she is more accurately an almost-killer i.e. someone who had the potential to become The Killer but did not end up following the path due to a moral crisis (extremely cringe fail by the black organisation, how do you fuck up indoctrinating someone you literally raised from birth). the REAL killer in conan is ofc vermouth, who i had not properly met yet at the time i made the post. i understand the error of my ways now tho, nobody is more killer than vermouth.
also, some other killers i forgot to put in my first post: gilgamesh (fate), rokudo mukuro (khr), yagami light (death note), koon aguero agnis (tower of god)
THE SLAUGHTERER
these killers just want to kill as many people as possible, as gruesomely as possible. they love violence and harm, and aren't interested in hiding how unhinged they are. or if they do bother, it's a pretty flimsy veneer. this doesn't necessarily mean they lack technique or finesse, it's more that they are interested in deploying it to maximise the damage they can cause. often very angry/excitable/short-tempered people.
examples:
- akutsu jin (prince of tennis) - the original slaughterer the one i coined the term for. he's really The Slaughterer in a series full of people who love to inflict violence on each other
- kite eishiro (prince of tennis) - borderline killer/slaughterer he goes all in when he's actually killing but pays a lot of attention to elegant image maintenance off-court, he is literally just one confiscated tub of hair wax away from being a killer HE WOULD BE SO HANDSOME IF HE LET HIS HAIR DOWN .
- kirihara akaya (prince of tennis) - baby slaughterer <3 uncontrollable (unless...) weapon to be pointed in an enemy's direction by his handler of the day and then set loose
- noi (dorohedoro) - extrovert slaughterer! if you can keep up with her in a fight she wants to be your friend. if not then you're dismembered and dead anyway
- clove (the hunger games) - and all district 2 careers really, clove is just my favourite. enobaria gets extra points for ripping out a guy's throat with her teeth tho
- xanxus (khr) - literally the representation of wrath his powers and weapons are fuelled by how mad he is
- chianti (detective conan) - being a sniper is actually a hunter trait to me but she's definitely more interested in the slaughtering people part than the technique for technique's sake part. anyone who throws a screaming tantrum over not getting to kill someone deserves to be a slaughterer
- akabane karma (assassination classroom) - another borderline killer/slaughterer/hunter but i think he's in the early stages of slaughterism. naturally charming but lacks a killer's desire to conceal his true nature and also lacks a hunter's discipline
THE HUNTER
these are killers who eschew charm in favour of just being really fucking good at killing. they're technicians rather than politicians and probably take pride in a particular skill they excel at. any charisma they possess is not cultivated the way that a killer takes care to maintain their image. may be pursuing some particular code or goal. often lone wolf types, though weirdly well-suited to being henchmen sometimes? rt cindi: "the hunter must be…… elite… superiorly intelligent… the precise aim and dedication of the killer and the wide victim range of the slaughterer."
examples:
- hibari kyoya (khr) - borderline hunter/slaughterer i think he's too refined to be a straight up slaughterer and his slaughterism arises almost equally from his devotion to disciplinary committee president duties as well as generally enjoying violence. he's guy who likes to test his abilities against strong people
- superbi squalo (khr) - another borderline hunter/slaughterer it's mostly that he's so hyperfocused on 1) xanxus 2) the sword that his broadly violent intents and acts end up more narrowly directed like a hunter even though he's very loud
- akai shuichi (detective conan) - being a sniper is a hunter trait
- kawakami bansai (gintama) - pretty much same reasoning as squalo (hyperfocused on takasugi and the shamisen) but he's more polite and restrained so even less shades of the slaughterer
- tenjo kaito (yugioh zexal) - he was very the hunter during his numbers hunter era
THE HONEYTRAP
sometimes, killers are bottoms.
examples:
- amuro tooru (detective conan) - allegedly, i haven't met him yet
- malik ishtar (yugioh dm) - i may have to retract this later when i rewatch dm but i thinkkkkkk i believe in malikright atm
- irina jelavic (assassination classroom) - is this cheating when she is literally a professional assassin who operates as a honeypot?
THE CHILD OF GOD
you know how humans can't look directly at divinity lest they be burnt to ashes instantly as mortal beings are not built to withstand even viewing the power of a god? that's the vibe here. it's not that they kill because they have malicious intent; the killing is entirely incidental. they're just too strong. they destroy worlds and slaughter populations simply by virtue of existing. they COULD kill on purpose, but the majority of the carnage follows in their wake as a matter of course. this category is named after yukimura and i can't actually think of anyone else who would fit in this category* but i imagine that children of god are neither regretful nor gleeful about the carnage they cause because it's just a fact of life to them, they probably don't even think about it that much. you can't expect a god to operate on the same kind of morality as a human after all.
* this is a closed category TO ME. even if there are other children of god they will not be in my post because only yukimura is yukimura.
examples:
- yukimura seiichi (prince of tennis) - the child of god.
THE IMPOSTOR
these people have all of the killeristic traits but vitally lack the killing intent / disregard of morality. the emphasis here is on the charm, powerful image management, and identity/persona fuckery. while they are not actually Killers, i'm including them in this list too because i believe in acknowledging my sources (jaemin) and this category represents the other group of characters i associate with him.
examples:
- oikawa tooru (haikyuu) - WHO ELSE!!! i've been talking about this for like 7 years
- kuroba kaito (detective conan) - perfect handsome double identity performative bastard. notably does NOT kill as part of his whole gentleman thief thing
- not that he reminds me of jaemin anyway but also i don't think niou masaharu (prince of tennis) quite fits in this category because he IS a little bit killeristic too but mostly insofar as it is part of the persona he is playing... niou and yagyuu together form a killer/impostor hybrid?
once again i welcome all further examples and subtype suggestions <3 i've also been considering Killer Who Abides By Strong Ethical/Otherwise Strict Code (the vigilante? the.. executioner.....?) as another subtype but i wonder if that is drifting too far from the original concept of The Killer? examples would be guys like sanada and ryoken...
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Date: 2021-08-19 10:00 am (UTC)re: ramuda, first of all his stage name is EASY R so... whatever that tells you... umm i also can't think of anyone else who would fit into this genre either, except maybe iv? for the idolisms/respectable civiliansona hiding a sick and twisted interior. i guess iv would just be the imposter as well, but one could argue enough killeristic intent to codify a killerish/slaughtererish imposter.
i think the imposter category is broad enough rn that's it's functionally distinct from the killer archetype/is an archetype of its own that can have multiple subtypes, but it's possible we are getting too carried away here lol. maybe it's really just the thief archetype except imposters have the added identity fuckery. tamaki is very world of light imposter for sure though, he does use his charm/persona to particular ends but he doesn't really NEED it badly or anything.
yeah i'm scrolling through the yandere tvtropes page and all of the high profile examples are from shit i haven't seen except for amane misa (questionable?), yamagishi yukako, anasui (lol i guess??? he kind of is the killer/slaughterer fusion in question but i wouldn't call him a yandere), and toga himiko. also ofc me and cindi think kazutora is a yandere.